It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Is a soft ball for club head speed of 90 MPH with the driver better than a hard ball? Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. Going back to Torrey Pines South, that is somewhere between the Green and White tees. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] But he does not average those. My total yardage for my 7 iron is 190, my ball speed is 119 mph. I genuinely believe Vokeys make me a better bunker player, the SM8s changed my bunker game and these are just as good. [/quote] [quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1364403013' post='6707345'] [/quote] Golf Balls are a Problem, Most Popular Driver on LPGA Tour? I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. 19* SLDR Resuce // Speeder 9.3s Youd be correct and that is why its always best to get fitted and discuss purchases with your pro. The best distance comparison we have for those clubs is therefore the carry distance. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. Hang Time 5.8 I hit a green today which was 163 so pulled a 6 iron landed on back part of the green 10 yds past the flag. You could hear the thump and it was relentless in its consistency. I don't measure my driver distance either. <> I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. Other top articles related to this topic: Graeme Hay is the owner of GolfingFocus.com. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. I have always wanted a push draw and now i can see the light in the tunnel. [quote name='J.W.' Based on the Trackman, the fitter's recommendation was a 910 D3, 7.5 loft, and a Graphite Design Tour AD DI 8X. the TrackMan numbers below. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide, What Wedges Do the Pros Use? Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Carry Distance 302.9 I am writing a dissertation at university and was wondering how you got all your data. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Analysis, What Clubs Do LPGA players use? I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. It's a pretty common way to play the game and it helps the scoring aspect of your game tremendously. Learn how your comment data is processed. [/quote] Short hitter compared to the average WRXer [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] But mostly, when playing for the money, they dont. Finally, course strategy is an improvement that can be made without having to change anything relating to the swing, technique, or other physical items. The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. Lol, so true.. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high My handicap is 24, but my driving (swing) works well. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Golf critics talk about technology making golf courses obsolete because of distance, but what they fail to clarify is that this only pertains to 0.1% of the golfing population. Apex Height 112' 11" I think this is very interesting but misleading. T 'enG~q/Om\#Q`{ HLRpC45`|NiG*"2agUTeu9d10S8xl?O`,`~ja~=j'(d~e?7UN+&iHPI=8NQQ={"K9R1d"3j$NJd[?@fUM)IxJ)Sn-bcVk7*"d9;&!0tB%=7$W&q&:L^q1|T]6k)SF It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. While the length of the course is an important factor in scoring, more so is the challenging greens and required approach shots. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021). The AMA isnt going to be achieving this max theoretical 255 yard drive very often. [/quote] The Fairway Woods Used by the Top 100 PGA Tour Pros, What Irons Do the Pros Use? Thanks for posting. For example while one pros gap wedge may be 50 another may choose 53 or even 54 for that same gap wedge club and with such a difference in lofts it becomes very difficult to compare with any meaning how far the pros hit the same-named wedge. 5 0 obj [/quote] The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. Hcap 5 will be around 68. Spin Rate 2,645.8 I have shot level round the chammpionship course on occasion also though. f[yZ3 /=KCYOSg~VN@ ae@.Xq@U$ Q\8H`/ 9Hj: .1xq You can follow GolfWRX on Twitter @GolfWRX, Facebook and Instagram. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. Dont be that person, as how your club interacts with the turf is more vital in wedges than with any other club. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. Most golfers I know are happy to drive the ball 200 yards and keep it in the fairway. You can check the combine driver stats here: https://mytrackman.com/#combine. That means the distance from the center of the green tothe edge averages just under 44 feet. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] What is fascinating also though as you dig more into the figures is the distance control options the best players in the world have with almost every club in their bag! [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] I know what you are thinking, there is a lot that goes into making a wedge. [url="http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php"]http://www.rotaryswinch-monitor.php[/url] Someone will probably come in and explain what he should do to improve those numbers.. Callaway Paradyme Tensei 1K 70 And it just isnt true.well at least not on average. 5 Testers Needed! Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high Vokey (TVD SM7 RAW 52 & SM6 RAW 58)- DG S400 Either way I don't care. [/color] I prefer 120-160 yards, so I try my best to play to that yardage on par 4's. To make such large scale improvements, we must first better understand the patientin order to diagnose the problems. I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. Cameron Napa California @ 34"[/b]. It's good for some laughs. Pasted as rich text. I recently had my swing analyzed and would like to share the results so that maybe someone could explain this in simpler terms. When you take the wedge out of the bag you notice the fuller toe, and there is more material behind the head. Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. The 22 years old Jon Rahm, is one of the new upcoming stars on the European and PGA Tour. My average distance was 235-245. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. When you watch the PGA Tour or any major championship on TV it is hard not to notice how far pro golfers hit the ball. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. However, it is more the fact that golfers are playing courses that are too long relative to club speed and skill level. How to Hit Massive Drives! Obviously not. The false fronts, forced carries, and deep protecting bunkers are too difficult for the AMA to deal with. Full details on the new TSR2 and TSR3 here! They think that a drives are always over 320, which they are not not even close. Open navigation menu. We share your golf passion. But then on the next hole when they come back down the hill with the wind behind them, they all go 340. 4 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X, Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x, Putter- Odyssey Vesa 12 center stroke lab shaft. Titleist fitting last summer at my home course. 1700 Broadway, Floor 29, New York, NY 10019, 2020 Justin Thomas. Upgraded core technology takes tee-to-green performance to the next level, New face technologies provide more forgiveness and spin consistency, Designed for golfers with more moderate swing speeds, horny mature is having great time in yttaly's casting, dark haired beauty with big natural boobs" jerk off challenge, she knows how to jump up and down on thick cock, 46, 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 62. While it would be easy to quietly continue his good deeds, the time is right to establish a foundation that can partner with others to positively impact countless philanthropic organizations and communities, and deliver even more good in the world. The main part of the fitting was when I moved onto the chipping green and started to hit bunker shots - these clubs just got better and better, theyre so secure in strike and very reliable. WebCongratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! Or the public course in Lenoir, NC? A Step by Step Guide, Acceleration Graph of Hips, Chest, Arms, and Clubhead in a Pro Golf Swing. FYI I hit my drive 240-250 he often hits is way past me from the whites. However, the vast majority of the time I spend with my students that would fall into the AMA category is spent on working out the kinks in their swing (to help them hit straighter shots more consistently) and helping them with better contact with the golf ball. I already use the SM8s and having seen the drop off in spin and different performance of my swing (I am less steep at impact these days) I will be changing wedges. When I watch professional events I am always taken aback by how high they hit their driver but how low they hit their wedges. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. There are three finishes available in SM9: Tour Chrome (matte), Brushed Steel (shiny) and Jet Black (matte). I don't measure my driver distance either. Its a whole different story. The ball shoots from the face and you lose the control of the ball. Very interesting but sort of depressing article. Shafts: KBS Tour 125 S+, Wedges: TaylorMade Milled Grind 3 (50-09SB, 54-11SB, 60-08LB) If you are a right handed player the slice and above numbers could be due to a heel strike. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364408786' post='6708081'] [/quote] I am disabled now and dont play at all but i had a spinal fusion and two rods put in my back when i was a teenager. [/quote] I blame it on TV coverage. I seem to have the same speed as pro women and they are playing the same distances that I am but scoring way way lower with a game built from precision over speed. TSi2 18, VTS Silver 8xMizuno MP Fli Hi 21, Recoil 110MP-20 MMC 5-P,DG X100SM850F, 54S, 58MPXGCloser Gen 2Tour BX. But i attribute most of that to playing with a best friend who was a scratch golfer and showed me theres no need to take longer than 2 hours to play 18 holes. I have completely lost my iron swing due to injury and need a swing coach as well as does your program cover this as well? Commented here a while ago Im actually not sure before I used GPS through my mobile whether I hit it further than I do now. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. And as it is highly unlikely even the best pros in the world never want to hit their driver as far as they can so it is clearly the club we are going to get the best idea of the maximum distance they hit the ball. I actually feel I get more out irons than I do the woods. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Through such initiatives as the Justin Thomas Youth of the Year Leadership Academy with the Boys & Girls Club of Kentuckiana, USA Cares and the First Tee, Justin is committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. Little higher launch, still low spin into the wind, and much easier to swing day in and day out. Launch Angle 11.28 Not As Much As You Think! Justins interest in the military was inspired by some of the men and women in uniform he has met over the years. Its unrealistic for most amateurs to break 100 on courses that share the aforementioned conditions, which is what a lot of the courses of today present. God how I loved playing golf. Everyone has one. Your link has been automatically embedded. There are golfers out there who are scratch only hitting the ball 200-250. Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high That's my opinion at least. Trackman is pretty interesting, obviously path and angle of attack change depending on the shot your trying to shape. The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. He is giving up 30 yards of total distance off the tee, which makes his approach shots more difficult. http://www.rotaryswing.com/golf-instruction/golfequipment/golf-launch-monitor.php, Short hitter compared to the average WRXer. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Get off the elite courses and look at the ones where people are paying maybe $45 to play, not $200+. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7 S, Hybrid: Callaway Apex (19 degrees) This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. And this is where taking the TrackMan Combine and going through a Find Your Distance session is so valuable. The professionals are going to hit the ball on the screws significantly more often than the AMA. This is the site where we share everything we've learned. 913 HD Impressive Combine Score by a 12 year old boy, How to maximize player performance with small changes. The following is Torrey Pines South, where golfers line up each morning for a chance to play one of Americas 100 Greatest Public Courses (Golf Digest). I cant hide my excitement and love for a Vokey wedge and it doesnt change on these. [/quote] That's what I think. The one at 3811 spin carried 8.3 yards further. [/quote] I play off 8 at a championship course 7200 yards in the UK. TI Taylormade SIM Ti (15.4) Tensei CK Pro Blue 80X [/quote] I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Shafts:KBS Tour 125 S+, Putter: TaylorMade Spider GT My average club separation is about 15 yards. On the LPGA Tour the top pros hit their driver an average of 257.7 yards. Your email address will not be published. I hit the same. This instant gratification can be achieved through the 30-45 minute TrackMan Combine process! Justin is that really you?? Im wondering if there are outliers here?. He is 180 ball speed off the driver with outstanding launch numbers. Those numbers seem about right. Not uncommon these days for elite swing speed When its hit well I have hit enough times in the 260-270 range so Im probably in that 95 mph swing speed range. People that dwell on the fact that other people like to know their distances are funny. First of all, I would always encourage any golfer to get custom fitted for Titleist Vokey wedges because the loft/bounce/grind chart can be very confusing. Im a 42 year old 59 and been playing golf since I was 35. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. Ever found a yardage you like? Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Although early days yet is there a general reason for the different results in club path. Spin Rate is on the high side, which also could indicate an off-center strike, and probably a negative attack angle both will shorten your distance. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X, 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) I also shot 86. It has to do with my ability. Before when I opened the club face I presented too much leading edge, but due to the high bounce and shape with the M grind this doesnt happen. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] I know a 47 year old who played d1 golf hits nothing but trap draws hits 8 irons 190. Distance is only a big deal to those who don't have it [/quote] Acting upon real data, not opinion, takes a giant step in that direction. There is nothing worse than getting the club stuck in the ground at impact. Please have a look at this video about Smash Factor. Its Not About the Equipment. Skill Triumphs Over All! The performance of these wedges really was impressive. He defeated Will Zalatoris in a 3-hole playoff to clinch the title for the second time. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Please include a self-addressed envelope with prepaid postage for return. No question - 100%. 8.5* Tour Issue 07 Burner // PL Red 65x People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. [/quote] endobj He was also the beneficiary of a grant that afforded him the opportunity to travel and pursue his junior golf career. Thomas, who was born and raised in Goshen, KY, played collegiate golf for the Alabama Crimson Tide. I cant say I noticed the lower ball flight but this is something that Titleist have worked on gradually for the last few generations. FULL GUIDE By Age, Handicap etc. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Can trackman info like the dispersion plot data be projected over a course layout? Add That Little Extra Limited also participates in other affiliate programs with FlexOffers, CJ, Svorn and other sites and is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies (again at no cost to you). 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, 2023 HSBC Women's World Championship (Mar 02 - 05), Byron Morgan best for your balls DH89 & the elusive DBCM 8802, TWO PUTTERS - ONE POST. Fan Mail Justin Thomas I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. 716MB (5-PW)- DG S400 #TeamTrackMan I know I hit the ball a long way though. timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] Top 50 Pros Analysis. We've enjoyed playing this great game with friends, family and competitors from all over the world for many years. As golf instruction and coaching continue to move more towards verifiable data (what the instructor/coach knows) and further away from guess and check (what the instructor/coach thinks), we expect to see more improvement in the golf community. Instead, its mostly situational. In 2019, he launched the Justin Thomas Foundation, aimed to help military families, junior golf and children in need. [/quote] One suggestion could be to setup course length based on club speed and optimal driver efficiency. Can i play a pro v1, or a harder ball I wont more distance KIND regards Rene Claeys Ren. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018. I can say that Trackman is second to none, and its always my first recommendation to others. I grabbed the 46 degree to see if I could finally be that 3 wedge Vokey golfer, it was so good I asked for an entire iron set of Vokeys. My question is my average D is +5.3, 6I is +3.5 and 8I is +2.1. [/quote] Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 85 S, Irons: Callaway Apex Forged (2021) (4-PW) Yes, typically very short drivers of the ball are better iron players or wedge players. Am I as good as tour pro? The challenge is, improving your distance is a slow and arduous process. As for his short irons his 8-iron yardage is 165, he hits his 9-iron 150 yards and his pitching wedge 135 yards on average. BALL; Chrome Soft X. This demonstrates that without changing technique and only changing strategy, the AMA can improve their performance. What Irons Do the Pros Use? I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. Lets consider the (average) approach shot distance that the AMA will have on an average par 4. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Average Distance - 302 yards[/background][/size][/color] [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] They hit a 3-wood an average carry distance of 249 yds, a 5-wood 235 yds and 3-hybrids 230 yds. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364414933' post='6708795'] The average green size at Torrey Pines South is 6,000 square feet. It takes persistence and painstaking practice to regularly do drills designed to help improve your swing speed, not to mention the constant measuring to ensure you are in fact improving your swing speed. WebIn 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. Executive Director, The First Tee of Louisville, Jennifer Helgeson hard to say for sure who was at fault in the beginning i am 7 handicap play with a friend who is 26-28 i play blue he plays white even when an extra player joins me on the blue he still plays white. 714 AP2 4-p He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees.The following table looks at the AMA versus what is optimal., *Carry, Landing Angle, and Total were normalized under 0 alti- tude, 75F, and 75% humidity for the AMA to create an apples to apples comparison. Add Driving Distance by Analyzing the Worlds Longest Driver! It is fun and I find that I usually am scoring better than I would say 90% of the guys I play with now, hitting on average longer than 90% and I realize that that is because shooting in the 90s means in golf you are better than most so above average which unless you played since a teenager and have no other life and want to play 4 to 5 days a week or more that is all you can ask for. As such, this article will focus on the performance of the average male amateur (AMA). What about this awesome drive from Dustin Johnson in Hawaii that everyone was talking about: So the drive went 433 yards. But you also have to add in the slight mishits, the rainy days, and the balls that land in the rough. Yes! Mine isnt that much higher and i hit driver 275 yards. When it comes to his mid-irons he hits his 6-iron and 7-iron 195 and 180 yards. link to What Irons Do the Pros Use? I hit the same. Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. Flexibility, speed, and knowing how to transfer energy the most effi Sometimes I will hit a 270 once or twice a round maybe and then two or three more at 240, but I will mix in a few bad ones at 190 with a hook or a slice and the rest will be at least 215 to 220.
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